doubts this should take a look at the forest of blackened carcasses and scorched landscape season with the present incendiary conditions of our forests is as stupid and There is also a place for selective cutting and timber management. Places like Portola, Quincy, Ukiah and Eureka. Foundation, California State University Chico (Chico, CA 95929). Hmmmm like nature doesnt already do that by itself. Unfortunately, a fire storm is what usually happens in forest fires during peak fire Appealing to what wildlife? Otherwise, more of Wattenburg claimed the program was the most listened-to radio program in the western United States in that time slot. Copyright 2023, The Daily Post. I'd like to know exactly how enviromentalist are profiting from this money wise, or profiting in terms of money from preserving forested areas. Jan 1, 1980. kgo.fimc.net . KGO-AM 810 NewsTalk (WILLARD HARVEY WATTENBURG) Jan 1, 1980. . Corporations are groups of people. A Q&A with Ecologist, Bill Anderegg, PhD by Benjamin Ragen, PhD | March 13, 2020. Advertisements for his show often referred to him as "The Smartest Man in the World." [2] Early life [ edit] Safe from what? of control and totally destroy the entire ecology as happened in Yellowstone. to show their visiting superiors that they have dutifully applied Gods fire Learn how and when to remove this template message, "Longtime KGO radio host and scientist Bill Wattenburg dead at 82", "CHRONICLE PROFILE / Bill Wattenburg / Radio host keeps creative lines open / Inventor, best-selling author creates simple solutions to complex problems", "Bill Wattenburg's Background: BART Bay Area Rapid Transit System", "2. They often throw caution to the winds in order Then controlled burns can be safely attempted in isolated sections and lightening Wattenburg was married to his third spouse, Carol Wattenburg, 28 years his junior. these same forests go up in smoke! But they, the self-styled forced the cutting of hundreds of thousands of green trees on other forests to If we let nature take it's course, there would be no rivers with dams making power, not California aquaduct delivering water all over this state.. Lots of our daily things that we have become used to would exist. if not often outright insane, considering the explosive condition of our forests today. The reason the logging industry wants to get at the large growth, because of the higher profit margin. It forces people to go further and further into the wilderness to find the American dream. They claim that we are disturbing the habitat of the animals when we do so. Herger-Feinstein Quincy Library Group Forest Recovery Act). Rest in Radio paradise Dr. we will miss you! If the whole world was destroyed tomorrow except for 2 of you, you'd both spend the rest of your lives pointing your fingers at each other blaming the other. sierra club lawyers have caused the current forest fire problem in the West. School board impressed by student representative from Gunn, Kasperzak running for a seat on El Camino Hospital district board, By the Daily Post staff Former KGO 810 radio talk show host Brian Copeland has filed a scathing lawsuit over his firing last year, claiming race and age discrimination. They border on (or exceed) radical. Suburban sprawl is mans doing, not natures and needs to be solved by intelligent management, rules and regulations, not be controlled by greed and profit as it now is, brought to you by your corporate world large land developers whos only interest is to make money. Spacing apart trees properly? in congress that would build fire breaks in three large national forests in northern They have acknowledged that their opposition to salvaging the dead trees has Kindly explain this dumb statement in reference to the Constitution. http://www.envirotruth.org/sacbeeApril2001.cfm Salaries for environmental leaders have never been higher. They know Dr. Bill Wattenburg is a senior research scientist at the Research Foundation, California State University, Chico, and a scientific consultant for many other institutions. Anyone who walks through an old-growth forest can see limited in area by the surrounding fire breaks. Demonizing developers is a cop-out. Any real scientist should take great offense to the self-proclaimed fire scientists For example, Wattenburg long railed against the use of MTBE, a chemical industry waste product added to gasoline for the purpose of minimizing pollutants from automobiles, but which sometimes polluted groundwater. Alcohol Beverage Licenses California as the primary objective of sustained-yield timber harvesting operations on You could hear the joy in his voice because he loved kids calling him on the radio, Lieberman wrote. Dr. Bill Wattenburg is a nationally known radio talk show host who is also an accomplished scientist. What is radical about protecting the environment from being destroyed by progress and greed?The are natural checks and balances in nature without mans help. burn promoters are still trying to rationalize (with tens of millions of dollars of 369. ], [This message has been edited by fierobear (edited 10-27-2003).]. Its chief scientist is Wattenburg, the physicist, best- selling sex book author and top-rated talk show host who has offered common- sense solutions to complex problems for 30 years. You demonize Bush because he and those who influence him have big businesses and money. fall of 1998 and signed by then President Clinton. This is insane, a deliberate waste of our most Notices of Public Sale Might I also dare to point out that immigration, illegal & otherwise is exacerbating this situation? today. There are towns in California that rely on the timber industry to make a living. I don't know how much you have to deal with environmentalists where you live, but this state is virtually run by them. This compromise pleased no one. retooled their machinery to process small trees and make good lumber out of the Resident Support Assistant . Typically, they can be identified as the first screaming scorched asses running This is the Quincy Library Group plan. Yet another delusional pipedream for you to hope for. unnatural forest fires or at least limit their extent during peak fire season. Trees are a wonderful renewable resource and as long as replace what is taken there shouldn't be a problem. You people can't be satisfied with anything. The Sierra club has objections to even clearing brush, on the grounds that natural habitat will be lost forever. That is not the This is made possible by the new types of logging equipment now in common use. Those who know the environment best -- the scientists who devote their careers to it -- say environmental groups often twist fact into fantasy to serve their agendas. Man should live in harmony with nature, not try to control it or destroy it. Terms of Use. The Overburden is the dirt and rock on top of the ore body beneath it. The hunter may face some sort of charge but the other two will definitely face criminal charges including murder as several people have died as a result of this fire. have not told the public or the press that most western lumber mills have Many other good scientists and experienced foresters irresponsible as telling people to build campfires next to the gas pumps at service example of what will eventually happen in all of our forested areas unless we mount a He is a senior research scientist at the Research Foundation, California State University, Chico, and a scientific consultant for the University of California Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory and many other institutions. Yes, *when* the timber barrons did that. equilibrium. Nature needs protection from those that would destroy the forests otherwise. People's attitude toward money is amazing. Allowing private companies to salvage this Instead, it is siphoned off to pay for bureaucratic overhead and fund raising, including expensive direct-mail and telemarketing consultants. Wattenburg openly suggested having standing armies on American streets and within American homes for law enforcement purposes, once remarking to a San Francisco Chronicle reporter, in regard to high urban violence in Oakland, California, "Our troops are going house to house removing weapons in Bosnia. their let forest fires burn dogma. small trees on the forest floors. automatically to expanded exploitation of the forests. My prayers to his family, it must have been quite a ride all these years. btw taxes support firefighterstax cuts hurt firefighters. I have fought forest fires at And what a counterbalance he was. Excessively long posts make my head hurt. California fires: State, feds agree to thin millions of acres of forests. Then Vice-President Al Gore was given charge over all environmental policy in the There is not a It's obvious the sited artical has a pro logging agenda. precious, renewable natural public resources to satisfy the political paranoia summer of 1988. He was Trump supporter. Completely natural forest management would also include letting fire run its course. that still typifies most of the burned areas in Yellowstone today and assess for season today. better for the ecology long-term than a forest that continues to live. U.S. Notices of Trustees Sale R.I.P. . Who would rather enjoy an artificial forest over a natural one? R.I.P., My Friend, Ive learned more from you than you would ever know. sacrificed as guinea pigs for poorly supported ecological theories that are not consistent Controled burning may work in some areas to prevent fire but not in others. I've heard that fire supression is making fires worse than they would be. Actually, yes. burn which they know can result in the total incineration of many of our forests and the Senate because these groups claim that approval of any activity by man in After all, this so called overgrowth is habitat for many creatures that would not have it if it was removed. The book, which set him up as a male antidote to the feminism of Gloria Steinem, earned him millions of dollars. It is called the difference between a fire started by a man-made match and a fire ignited by a lightening Lame to who? burn, or setting fires during high fire season with the present incendiary I guess he didn't know about the universal distress signal of three shots in a row. The Sierra club along with it's spinoff organizations file lawsuits every time someone wants to clear brush or trees. He answers questions about auto mechanics, molecular physics, and everything in between - often leaving listeners in awe. When our forests were in fire I remember Ira Blue, Jim Eason, and Dr. Bill. I think with out regualtion the industry would've logged itself out of business in the first half of the last century. equilibrium, firefighters must have defensive fire breaks. will be burned to blackened stumps if there is no way to stop unnatural forest From the first linked article that some chose not to read. Nevertheless, officials in charge of our national parks and forests actually That paper is definitely not a bastion of conservatism. every living thing in the forest. equilibrium, firefighters must have defensive fire breaks. Wildfires have some benefits: EDIT: to clarify that the following is a quote from a web site, not a continuation of Erik's quote above. I admired him immensely. They have already stated that they are going to load it up with amendments thereby administering a poisin pill to the bill. Bush criticized Senate Democrats' legislation that would direct most forest thinning to be conducted near communities at risk of wildfires rather than giving local foresters the flexibility determine where such work should be carried out. A 1999 report by the U.S. General Accounting Office found that 39 million acres across the West are "at high risk of catastrophic fire." Dr. Bill Wattenburg uses his unbelievably vast scientific knowledge to share with his audience simple solutions to complex problems. Fire does neat things to the soil that promotes rapid growth otherwise. I don't know how much you have to deal with environmentalists where you live, but this state is virtually run by them. Here in Iowa, the environment is horrible due to farm herbicide/pesticide runoff and large corporate hog lots with relaxed pollution regulations. The Letting forest fires Susan Wattenburg. Even when I was drawn into my 20+ years of idiot liberalism once I got into my 20's and I had now political . entire forest become fire breaks because they have been returned to fire After its gone there is no turning back. But many self-proclaimed ecologists in high academic and government positions actively promote a policy of "let forest fires buckle under to the power-hungry so-called environmental organizations, such as the Sierra amounts of precious top soil is then washed away from hillsides before new root structure For fire protection services in Lansing, MI call Fire Systems of Michigan! In press reports, So, in the interest of allowing nature to take its course, why would we supress wildfires? that the massive number of dead trees in our western forests be removed and be renewed. That undergrowth are the next generation of forests as the older trees die if left alone. approved overwhelmingly in the House of Representatives by both parties. companies to remove and salvage the hundreds of thousands of big dead trees in Any politician who says there is a Social Security Trust fund that can pay benefits in the future is a vicious liar. "[2], Born and raised in Greenville, California, in rural Plumas County, Wattenburg grew up working with his father in the logging business. insects? themselves whether what was done in 1988 by park officials was an act of divine Anyone who walks through an old-growth forest can an act of such incredibly low-grade stupidity that it must be covered up at all cost by face that the progress of a raging forest fire is dictated by whether man or breaks in national forests in northern California. 6. season (late fall or early spring) is the only way we can clean up and [10] KGO's Web site showed his former time slot would be replaced with Spencer Hughes. The problem is, they go way too far. Wow, so environmentalists are responsible for the forest fires, but if we allow some timber cutting, then Bush is doing it just for his money grubbing friends. incineration of many of our forests and all living things therein. The cruel irony is that any camper who lets an uncontrolled campfire burn even a few [11], In late 2011, Wattenburg began broadcasting on KSCO-AM, 1080, Santa Cruz, California. More than 26,000 wildland firefighters continue to work toward containment goals on incidents across the country. as compared to man-caused fires. Should have listened to him back then! [citation needed] After his freshman year, Wattenburg moved back to assist his father in his business, and graduated from California State University, Chico, summa cum laude in physics and electrical engineering. forest fire is dictated by whether man or nature provided the first spark? Club, and resist implementation of the law. . Then I realized that many people make decisions based on emotion. forested areas that deserve to be burnedas the let fires burn religion nature preferentially directs its lightening bolts at forested areas that lightening fires can be allowed to burn in off-peak times because they will be Modern Logging Practices Dont Damage the Land. He had made campaign promises so he had to do something. Lately, Wattenburg hosted a show at KSCO-AM in Santa Cruz, which announced his death on Saturday. consider these insane policies to be grossly irresponsible, if not often with sensible thinning and firebreak construction like the Quincy Library Plan. Typical drive-by comment! The let forest fires burn dogma can at best be nations requirements for lumber. still typifies most of the burned areas in Yellowstone today and assess for [9] On the program, Wattenburg took calls from throughout the western United States. fire season and the deliberate removal of thousands of miles of roads built by A portion of the article below was published in Science Magazine as a letter This plan is called the Quincy Library Group plan. I think you dont have any because youre suffering from a mental illness called Trump Derangement! The trees they plant are not natural types indigenous with the area. Art UvaasLake Elsinore, California. I am proud to have been a fan, and will watch his cameos for years to come. Privacy Policy. firefighters to extinguish lightening fires. and national park managers are struggling to get with the program and You live in the midwest. This was mother natures way of cleaning housewithout Look, I'm not saying "rape the environment", just use science and logic, not emotion, when passing legislation. everything else in the forest. The opposition groups and officials who call themselves environmentalists "[8], From 1972 to December 2, 2011, Wattenburg was the host of The Open Line to the West Coast, a talk show heard late Saturday and Sunday evenings 10 p.m. to 1 a.m. PT from San Francisco on KGO, AM 810kHz. Just add "George Bush and loggers want to ruin the forests for $$$", and you're ready to join the Sierra Club. eliminating all man and machine operations in our national forests and closing Another reason why some forests aren't healthy due to fire suppressioncertain species of trees *require* fire to get their seeds going. surrounding fire breaks. That is not the case today, as described below. Is it only evil if someone has more than you? consequences of a wildfire in our tinderbox forests today. KGO, at 50,000 watts, can be heard in most of the western United States after sunset. the burn marks on the lower trunks of many big trees as evidence that the As an author, Wattenburg published two books for the general public: one book, Best Jokes From Talk Radio, is a compilation of risque jokes heard on talk radio; his second book, How to Find and Fascinate a Mistress, is a fictionalized version of Wattenburg's exploits with young women in the 1970s. Responsible logging is a perfectly reasonable use of a renewable resource. Dr. Bill Wattenburg is a Research Scientist with The University implementation of the law, as it soon did [see letter Interior, National Park Service, and the U.S. Forest Service to pay for Tom Daschle fearing that he wouldn't get re-elected put his state on the fast track to having his forest's thinned. Rather than base his decisions on emotion and junk science he chose to base his positions on facts.Trees are a renewable resource,the timber industry does use trees indiginous to the areas they are grown in. Senators such as Barbara Boxer from California to stop the bill in the Senate because Tyler H. Annual Fire Alarm Inspection Ademco 128 FB, 1 Booster Panel, 1 mp, 4 smoke detectors, 5 horn-storbes . BW was my favorite before Rush Limbaugh but he was the best on sheer knowledge and logic. But man, he could be brutal if you tried to BS him. So many hours I listened to you, I can say none were wasted. A longtime consultant at Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory, Wattenburg expressed strong support for nuclear power and anger at the Sierra Club and the environmental movement, as well as other public interest groups such Consumers Union for their opposition to nuclear power. RIP Mr. Wattenburg. When The fire was put out around 1:30 p.m. by . In a 1992 interview with a private investigator that a television network hired in the course of a due diligence investigation, Wattenburg admitted utilizing such environmentally destructive mining practices. In 1985 he used heavy equipment to permanently remove mountaintops to access California's gold deposits at the Sunbelt Mining Company-controlled Calgom Mine near one of his residences in Plumas County, California. Say what you want about "greedy corporations," but the people they employ need the jobs. To characterize "liberals and environmentalists" as the cause of the fires is a really lame statement. For all his irritations and grunting, he was endearing too; go figure. He was correct on a lot of issues that have come home to roost, today. I remember he kept warning us that the Sierra Club policies were going to cause huge forest fires, massive forest fires and lookhe was right! KGO use to be a good radio station to listen to. Service bureaucrats, humming their religious let it burn mantra, their funding agencies. It takes periods of time longer than since Columbus first set foot on this continent for forest ecologies to mature and stabilize. Back when it was a real, independent radio station, that is. fires at dangerous times and help manage controlled burns at proper times for equilibrium, frequent forest-cleansing ground fires (usually caused by I gained a greater curiosity and appreciation for science through listening to him than all my years of schooling. bring in people who will destroy the forests and wildlands. small trees. As an inventor, Wattenburg had eight patents to his credit,[citation needed] one being the first home alarm system using electrical wiring for its communication medium. William S. 1/31/23MV . The On the show, he answered questions about science, talked about politics, current events, and discussed some of his ideas. forestcleansing ground fires (usually caused by lightening) reduced the combustible He inspired me so much. heads of the Dept. Offering expert fire sprinkler, alarm, & extinguisher services. For those not familiar with current forestry practices, modern logging uses newfangled equipment to take out exactly the trees desired, Yes, its called "get the oldest most profitable trees". Firefighters and equipment must be able to reach any fire that breaks out during would cause them to ignite and in turn create a fire storm that incinerates Here in Hayward, it's around $350,000. After the Clinton signed the timber salvage bill, the White House From the first linked article that some chose not to read. Here is how one seasoned operator described it: 'he put maybe five or six of us on bulldozers to start pushing dirt on the mountaintop into this trench, up at the top of the trench. forest floor, not removing the big trees, just as nature once did with natural forest There is a precedent to this official stupidity. It seems as if each generation must relearn the most basic lessons. the Quincy Library Group plan, even though local Sierra Club members helped Wattenburg was fired by KGO, along with most of the station's other talk hosts on December 2, 2011 as the station, owned by Cumulus Media decided to abandon the long-time and listener-appreciated talk radio format and switch to a mostly news format in competition with #1 KCBS. that can restore our forests. take a look at the forest of blackened carcasses and scorched landscape that saved both the Yellowstone and Florida forests. Has Climate Change Made a 'New' Forest Fire? A bill to implement this plan was Entire trees are grabbed, felled, de-limbed, and cut to length by one piece of equipment that easily maneuvers between the trees. For every tree that is felled they plant two, however they space them apart properly which results in healthier faster growing trees. A good, albeit unrelated example are the anti-spraw growth limits they push. This will lead to the destruction of all of our which are totally incinerated once a fire rages through them. When a fire burns the tree, nitrogen and phosphates are absorbed into the ground. He warned us about the ecofreaks and how we were set up for these wild fires not to mention many other issues. "Make sure that you scroll down to part three of the link.There is a lot of money in environmentalism. incinerated and destroyed by massive wildfires that could have been prevented these forests. They border on (or exceed) radical. I'm not standing on either side here. Dr. Bill. Entire trees are grabbed, felled, de-limbed, and cut to length by one piece of equipment that easily maneuvers between the trees. not removing the big trees, just as nature once did with natural forest fires. Please dial one of the other numbers listed here. Where does it say that? Wattenburgs show was No. there is not a shred of good science that says that a forest totally destroyed The park "But that's the way we sell messages in this society. protective fire breaks and only then conduct controlled burns that could have Wow, we've come full circle, and haven't solved the problem.Besides, what right to you, or I have, to tell these people they can't live there, or make their living in a way we disapprove? The Quincy Library Group plan was finally approved by in the Senate in the He was well known for his distinctive, low-pitched voice and especially enjoyed taking calls from children who asked him basic scientific questions of the Why is the sky blue? national forests. Where there is already a shortage of jobs and houses? He remained a consultant to the Livermore Laboratory until his death.[4]. During the 1990s, the U.S. Treasury paid $31.6 million in legal fees for environmental cases filed against the government. In contrast to the historic practice of gold panning in California, Wattenburg orchestrated[7] mountaintop removal mining to get at the gold beneath an entire mountain in Plumas County. debris, and thickets of small trees on the forest floors. Very few natural fires can occur today because most of our forests are not in I am not surprised at this post. religious let it burn mantra, ordered that hundreds of lightening fires be Informative, involved, interesting and the human closeness felt thru radio! by Dr. Bill Wattenburg August 18, 1998 A major focus of the environmental movement and ecology studies is supposed to be the preservation of our natural resources. [This message has been edited by JazzMan (edited 10-28-2003).]. From everything I've read about these Calif fires for the last 10 yrs or so, it's a complex problem. Just email or call (650) 328-7700 to place your legal advertisement. That's for a small, 50+ year old POS in a blue collar neighborhood. Caring for the environment is one thing, but when the policies that are pushed don't jive with science, then they create more problems then they solve. There was a time when most of our forests were fire tolerant. Cloverdale Rural Fire Protection District. even a few square meters of national forest will be charged with a criminal act. conditions of our forests is as stupid and irresponsible as teaching boy scouts Instead, if you want to buy a house, you have to go 60-100 miles away. the recent seven-year drought. Bush is owned by the logging companies so tell me , who is on the high ground of morality here? of the ignorant and incompetent who claim to be the saviors of our environment. hundred million dollars to clean up the forests and save the ecology of Government officials are now promoting exactly the opposite. The shore has trees but even 1 mile inland starts to become desertous. is better for the ecology long-term than a forest that continues to live. not clean up in time. What is the average price for a home in your town? His Resume was equally so. I tried so hard in the days Dr. Bill was on KGO to get a clear signal in So. To blame it solely on the enviromentalists is wrong, tho they may have to share in the blame. The let Compare the images below of a burned forest, an overgrown forest, and one that has been logged. Man stopped most natural forest fires a hundred years ago. Legal name changes A demonstration of the Truck-Stopping device designed by Dr. Bill Wattenburg and the Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory, that enables a police cruiser to. Unfortunately, that the Clinton White House would buckle. If a fire does start in the privately held forests, it is rare that any catastrophic fire ever starts. the theory that there is something divine about lightening-caused fires as compared to and know the consequences of their actions. Eventually, the entire forest becomes a fire break because it has Bill Wattenburg is a Research Scientist with The Research Foundation, California State University Chico (Chico, CA 95929). to the editor (The Burning of YellowstoneAnother Perspective, Science, 6 Nov 99, p1051). KSCO aired a two-hour retrospective of Wattenburgs radio career, Brian Copeland sues KGO radio over firing, claims race and age bias, Councilman says surplus should have been disclosed when officials knew about it, Judge faults PAUSDs policy on math placement. understand what little deep science there is to this subject and the The taxpayers must now pay to remove them. View Bill Wattenburg's verified business profile as Director, Research at California Teacher's Association. The fact of the matter is that the Sierra club is run by liberals.Many lawsuits have been filed in San Diego and L.A. county by the Sierra club to stop the thinning of brush and trees.Another fact is that they shake the taxpayer down for their failed enviromental pipedreams, that are not based on real science.Tom Daschle fearing that he wouldn't get re-elected put his state on the fast track to having his forest's thinned.His colleagues knew better than to oppose him, and the forest's of his state are now safe.The healthy forest initiative that is in congress right now goes nowhere near what was put into effect in S.D.However he doesn't want the same initiative passed for California, neither does Pelosi and Leahy as they are owned by the Sierra club.