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It would be about November 20th that you would have gone back with Charlene, what, the next day? They should have taken the time necessary to find enough evidence. The poor jury went along and Jagger did not put much ofa defense anyway. Diane had a few lovers, which Knick refused to acknowledge (Appendix 81, pages 1508, 1520). Only after these avenues are exhausted should non-relative placement be looked at. I worked for county government child welfare for a decade. If not, why not? Fred Hugi was pretty upset when Ann Rule went Hollywood with his case. I ndicted money launderer and noted coup enthusiast Steve Bannon has refused to sit for a deposition in front of the January 6 Select Committee. Downs wanted to get rid of the kids because her new boyfriend didn't want . Sometimes it takes until late in life for connections to be made again. Yes, but it is a fact that she was starting to say that she did not know who shot them when it happened. She could not have been shot twice in the back while sitting up and have the bullet pierce her body to end up under the floorboard of the passenger side. To this day, his record is mixed; his law license was suspended for6 monthsin 2011, and there was also talk of a suspension in 2015. ..maybe it was lack of Internet and cellies *shrug)..years later, my Co worker at burger King (I was 16)told me about the small sacrifices movie she watched the night before. I have plans to go hunting with the husband of one of the alternates.. She said a bunch of really stupid things in the media (my kids were lucky, not me gets the palm) and basically bury herself. 1st, you came back from a trip? Seems like former husband, Steve Downs, should've been the custodial He knows as he was in court and must have photos. You say she made more of a fuss about her arm than about the injuries her children sustained. That hurt our family deeply. The lousy men in their lives never took a hit because after all, it was these witches fault. Mr. Im sure nothing I write will change that. Leaving out a lot of info that should be included and presenting a very one sided take on these things. Steven and Diane married on November 13, 1973. They checked her nails to see if she could have buried the gun and they were clean. At the time Diane had told police that a stranger attempted to carjack her and shot the kids, and thats what her ex husband was told, too. I am sorry but I got to laugh a little. Even put in different hospitals. Then ask yourself if thats how you want your son to grow up. Diane was instructed to reenact her response to the attacker who murdered her daughter. By the way, Dianes parents mourn the loss of their grandchildren to this day. Where to begin? Its a fact. They are now leading their private lives as adults. He separated from his wife and was going to follow Diane who, by now, had decided to move and work in Oregon to be closer to her parents. Nobody ignored Dianes demeanor. The fact that she drove there and it saved the life of two of her children should give anyone pause. I know several foster parents and social workers. I simply state facts that did not or would not come out at the time or blatant misconduct from a legal system that is supposed to be based on innocent until proven guilty. She says she was outside the car n watched the man shoot her children n then the only adult n person who could tell police about him only gets a shot in the arm n takes time to bandage her arm. I watched the highlights of her hearing. People may receive compensation for some links to products and services on this website. Likewise, Charlene had no intention of letting Knick divorce her (Appendix 81, page 1518, line 15). The tape is real and probably not admissible, but it seems to indicate that her testimony was coerced. Yes, I usually answer the emails I get about the blogs. I think she was the only one there that night with her children. So when Dr. George Suckow from the Oregon State Hospital in Salem was called as a States rebuttal witness and he made a professional diagnosis of Diane as histrionics, antisocial and narcissistic, he openly said in court that he interviewed Diane for 1 hour and read evidence presented by the state to make his diagnosis. It was omnipresent in the courtroom as well as the Duran Duran song, The judge instructed them to continue on to force a verdict. And the fact that Tracy wrote in his notes that Christies reaction could have been excitement to see her mom but they decided to only mention extreme fear? You fail to mention what her daughter actually said about her communication with Diane, like Diane telling her that a very powerful person, a secret man, has been watching her, and that if she loved her son she would move away or else her son will grow up to be a murderer. A prosecutor inventing a new psychiatric category in court and labeling the accused is kind of unsettling. So many of the cases Lise writes about on this blog either have no forensic evidence that supports the verdict or have very misleading forensic evidence that may or may not support the verdict, depending on who is interpreting it. But she suffered from mental illness and the circumstances were traumatic. Then, they accused her of shooting her kids at close range. I am so tired of the victims being forgotten. But I will answer the points you raised about the blog. USA population seems to shun complex ethical problems preferring to deal with absolute evil in order to exert absolute power to crush it. I do not discuss her guilt or innocence because this is not what the blog is about, but I personally hope she is released one day. Diane Downs is no exception. that you told Diane to tell steve that she was Knicks Ms. Downs makes every effort to avoid emotional stimuli in order to reduce the demands made on her. They are the ones who considered Dianes children as Small Sacrifices. It is in the blog. Mother of Diane Downs Asks Oregon Governor to Review Case and I am not saying she is innocent. Thats why Diane wouldnt agree to marry unless Knick first signed a premarital agreement that when they divorced, Knick would take nothing from their marriage. She wanted a lawyer to defend her vigorously but the judge stopped her from getting good representation. Gosh Donna, you really dont have a clue. I also found it interesting that when he had visited Diane in prison, he had remarked a strange air about her; which did not mean guilt. Except after the idea was subsequently planted in his head only to be alluded to in court, in spite of an agreement to never mention the subject. . I agree. It was very unfair to raise them away from their grandparents and other blood relatives. Contemporary family finding principles argue that a child is best nurtured by parents, then immediate family members, extended family members, spiritual family (Godparents), close friends, etc. The fact that the children were in no way protected by Child Protection Services is undeniable. She talked to Diane for 15 minutes, there was thebizarre and partialOprah interview that was basically a lets bash Diane event and she wrote to Diane in jail to ask her what she thought of Hugi adopting her children. If she did have memories of the actual shooting, that would be very rare. I guess Diane forgot to have that part engraved on the Unicorn. Now she claims she was dating an FBI agent at the time, was holding some top secret pictures for him, and she was on the road to meet someone to pass them off, at the instruction of her FBI boyfriend. The two older kids were Diane's with ex-husband Steve, however, Danny wasn't Steve's. 0. That they did not test the outside of the car? No OTHER reason. Here's what we know. Mr. Jagger read the report and said, you were right. The board said that her mental or emotional disorder makes her a danger to society. Ann Rule did not leave a great legacy as far as honest reporting goes, and she is not the only one to have commercialized a criminal case for personal gain. please express them and I will print them. You are telling me to take my smugness elsewhere because it is tiresome. My guess is the grandparents were so overwhelmed with Dianes case that they let the system take care of the kids at first. woman quot~ unquote, do you remember anything like that? (LOL!! Saying that I seem to be doing what I accuse Ann Rule of doing is kind of ironic because the point of this blog is to try to stay away from innuendo and fantasies like unicorns and songs that might have been playing or not during a tragic murder. Downs: Oh yeah, I remember the pictures, too. Clickhere to read about faulty ballistics.. Jury begins deliberations in decades-old rape and murder case - WMTW So glad you wrote and provided this information. They were the small sacrifices. I never read the Ann Rule book, but saw Small Sacrifices as a kid and have had an interest in this case ever since. Theybrought out the big guns to unload on the public, their idea of the truth: Diane Downs was a horrible creature and a jilted lover who shot her three children in cold blood to be free to pursue a relationship with the man she was obsessed with. She told ABC, The impact of Diane Downs being my mom has altered the course of my life so many times. He was very irresponsible and probably could not handle them financially and emotionally. Diane had moved to Oregon only 6 weeks before the tragedy to work in the area and have her parents spend time with the kids. Ultimately, the blogger is entitled to their opinion as is everyone else. Nothing in this blog claims Diane is innocent. They were in a difficult situation becausewithout evidence, they could notcharge her for the crime. Same with her brother. As you said, the system has to work for everyone and you cant change the rules because a case is high profile without muddying the waters. Diane nowhad the title ofdangerous offender. Brewer freely declared that Diane Downs would never have been convicted except that he believed the lie Jim Jagger permitted Fred Hugi to enter into the record. On her way to the hospital,she was followed by someone who said she was going slow, but Diane said she was driving fairly fast. The prosecutor and his wife adopted both children that survived and although the boy is paralyzed and in a wheelchair, they trived with their new parents. The grandparents were babysitting the children often and had several children who were well adjusted. But I know that there were major problems with this case. Id have more influence arguing for better relationships with Mexico at a Donald Trump rally in Mexico. The question is of course, how can we determine guilt or innocence without a fair trial? In what world is that O.K. Celebrity Author Covers Case Ann Rule wrote 'Small Sacrifices,' later released as a movie. Danny said several times that a bad man shot them and it was written in the nurses notes, but never that his mother shot him. I am pointing them out. 4. (that one is more of a question). Diane had met all the requirements to be paroled. One should also wonder why their biological father who was so eager to bash his ex on the stand was not given custody, and did not stay in contact with his two remaining children: relevance? The State had the same gut feeling and made sure she would pay. They never found the gun and she showed no signs of having fired one. Lise,,,,, yes you did. The DA that put away their mom is not an appropriate placement choice. Criminalist James Pex was pretty clear about this. And the motive? Ffs maybe u should go back to writing screenplays. Weve become friends. https://t.co/cPfs75obUg pic.twitter.com/uSnlFF2IRw. time it was the situation was down. Therefore, those jagged bones were floating in a cloth wrap, merely resting in a cloth sling. Jump through the States hoops, or find a noose around your neck. Accused of her side of the story what the state says how would it be possible for her to do what they presumed. I am publishing your comment because once in a while, I need to post the pitiful representation of true crime readers who made Anne Rule a rich author. Most were married because Diane had no desire to remarry. I was always really bothered by that. He freely admitted HE decided to ask for a divorce on his birthday without consulting Diane, who was out of town All the years in prison probably made her way more disturbed than she ever was. It was flawed. The trouble reportedly took place a day earlier when Sean Preston allegedly was behind a locked bedroom door and Jamie broke down the door to get in and then "violently shook" the child, The. 'Leave It to Beaver' star Tony Dow explains why he wasn't allowed to Lack of impulse control is also another symptom that might explain why a mother would stop at night to help a stranger flagging her on the road. This is a fascinating and informative article that has answered some questions I had, and prompted others: 1. Thanks for the link. She signed an affidavit to that effect and wanted the jury informed of it but it was never done. The bitches own daughter identified Downs as the shooter. So it was a relentless game totry to reel her in. Washing soda is your best bet: It includes, among its ingredients, the exceedingly corrosive carbolic acid. Foster Carers says either Australia or England to me. Blood spatter is not an exact science, and is interpreted differently by experts. So Mark, where are you from? Two wrongs do not make a right but illustrates that she should have never been coerced before, during or after the trial. Q. answer the question why didn't steve downs get custody, which will help you get the most accurate answer. Found the internet! The case was so one sided that it is about time some of us bring up the other side. I will post it when I get it. Her lover and former husband testified against her but it did not represent evidence but character assassination. This does not make her innocent. I think that Van Houten was recommended for parole by a system that assessed that after 40 years, she was not a threat to society and a reformed woman. The circumstances surrounding the case were not enough to prove guilt beyond a reasonable doubt. Why did they let her daughter testify when she could not know who shot her and said so incessantly until they made her say what they wanted? But, their marriage was far from what either of them had expected. Or be mentally ill. It was omnipresent in the courtroom as well as the Duran Duran song Hungry like the Wolf that supposedly was playing when the children were shot in the car. I mean, yeah, I can see the no contact order with Diane. And they kept at her and made suggestions when she would not implicate her mom. I know several people who know or knew both of the surviving children as well as Diane. That is why people wonder why such a vital family member never gave the anticipated insightful interview. Diane did not get a fair trial. You didnt know that?? Thats the problem with high profile cases. Click to read The Case of Liysa Northon Who Said True Crime Does not Pay? If she was such a manipulative person, she would not be in prison for life, would she? The timing of her arrival at the hospital should have been discussed and explained in more details. Basically then at that Are you still taking comments by email? Guilty or not, we should know better than to use the justice system as a psychic tool when theres not enough evidence. If she was the shooter, it had to be proven beyond a reasonable doubt. answer the question why didn t steve downs get custody, which will help you get the most accurate answer. And according to the law, she should have been released by now, independently of what she says or not. Ask them what they did to a good man. So Diane did what she thought would bring her the deepest satisfaction in life; she became a mother. ABC MOVIE FOR TV Small Sacrifices 1989 Farrah Fawcett, Ryan ONeal. We cant. Right after the shooting, little Danny would ask the nurses, , Even Ann Rule in her book, keeps mentioning that, Every time, she said she did not know, they told her to think again and made suggestions. As soon as Diane was found guilty, Hugi demanded that Diane be evaluated by a psychiatrist before sentencing so they could declare her a dangerous offender and give her a stiffer sentence. but later you claim Diane was inside the car and shot the kids in the car and that that BECAUSE she was inside the car she should have had blood splatter on herso WHICH IS IT, I dont know which it is Libby. The kids were shorted-changed. Some of your facts arent facts at all. Everything I outlined should be public knowledge. You seem to forget that even a few jurors started by voting not guilty on some of the charges. (Yes, speculative).